well
we're very interested in your
experience
because as I mentioned you
were the
first doctor to suspect a
different
coronavirus strain what did
you
notice in your patients
so that's
very interesting you know
for the
at least the last eight to ten
weeks we
had what I call a breather
and we
didn't see um really any code
with
nineteen patients our infectivity
the rate was
less than one percent so around
about
this eighteenth
a young
man came in he's thirty years of
age to me
he doesn't feel well he's
very
tired um
and he's
got a slight headache and body
aches and
pains and he actually thought
as well
that it was because he was
working
and it was extremely hot on the
Saturday
and he thought that it was
coming
from that
but for
me you know to have that
type of
symptoms I decided to test him
and he
tested positive
simultaneously
his family also had a
mate also
made an appointment his wife in
the one
child
um they
said to me no they don't feel
well more
at least the same but not as
tired as
her husband
and both
the
mother and the child also tasted
positive
and there was a baby of four
weeks
about four months old and we
tested
the baby
The baby
didn't have any symptoms and the
the baby was
fine the baby tested positive
as well
but not a
not
if it is very very
mild
disease
uh easily
treated well the the man is
already
back at work um
and uh
thereafter we have seen seven
more
patients on the same day very
unusual
uh
because I have access to the advisory
committee
um I we
normally chat on the on the
whatsapp
and I said listen guys I've
seen a
very
interesting cases today it's not
the same
clinical symptoms and with
um the
delta variant uh
it's it's
more similar to beta at that
stage I
thought it was maybe more beta
related
um or
the the
other only other solution was uh
or
conclusion was that it should be a
new
variant they say they're not aware
of any
variants at that stage, you know
variance
that that is affecting us but
at the
same time simultaneously our labs
also, pick
up
a pc
artist that was different from the
normal
PCR results that they set in
um so
everything sort of worked together
they also
alert the NiCd and then last
the week the
new variant was announced um
can I
just jump into
before we
get to what the lab found so
it was a
young man so the symptoms you
mentioned
they were mild they were
easily
treatable and they were different
in that, it was exhaustion just a general
melees kind
of feeling so these but but
it's key
that you would notice mild and
easily
treatable so off these samples go
to the
lab and this new variant is
identified
with 32 different mutations
and when
that information comes back to
you what
then was your reaction
well
actually um I did a rapid test on
that
young man and my reaction was one
of shock
you know
I didn't expect after 10 weeks
of peace
life
coming back to normal that was
really a
big big shock I think the poor
the patient
saw the shock on my face because
I said no
not again I don't you know
it's like
PTSD you don't want to go
through
this again you have been through
that now
three times
are you
not going to go through this a
fourth
time but unfortunately there's
nothing
that you can do you you will go
through
it, i think that's a bit what the
the world is
doing but we'll get to global
reaction
in just a second so you had
shock too
and now at this point now that
it's been
identified with all of these
mutations
such as a high number of
mutations
a variant of concern is
identified
so quickly by the wh
what are
the key how worried are you
about
this and what are the key aspects
that is
causing that level of concern
for you
so at
this stage at this moment in time
um we are
seeing young people mostly
with um
who's being positive
um so far
again that is up until today
maybe
next week the picture will change
um they
are easily treatable at home
and
there's no need at this stage for
anyone to
be admitted um the ones that
we are
seeing and
the same
with some of my colleagues
um also
spoke with with some of the
specialists
at um some of the bigger
hospitals
in the Pretoria region because
we are
the epicenter also didn't see a
the huge
influx of patients um coming in one
or two
patients in the hospital
um not uh
the same that they are seeing
in the
barracuda hospital, they are
seeing um
young
more
young people I'm not sure what
amount of
what is the number of people
admitted
there but they have
co-morbidities
and whether that's Omron
omicron
or
delta I'm
not sure
what we
are seeing in the surgeries uh
again
it's predominantly young people
uh and
interesting enough I have um on
Friday
seen two
patients for a PCR test one 66
year-old
lady it's been vaccinated and a
the guy in
his uh around about 45 also being
vaccinated
they both came back positive
but they
are not extremely sick
so for
now, it's
it looks
fine um
and yeah
if you have and yeah
everyone
is talking
to the
point that we as you said it
could be a very different picture in one
weeks and we don't know so much
about
this this variant as it's just
arrived
on the scene so the questions
that
people seem to be pointing to are
just how
transmissible is this if you're
indicating
it's already in people who've
had the vaccination and potentially and
secondly, will it be able to evade
immunity
from either vaccination or from
previous
infection so how will people
scientists
like yourself how will we go
about
identifying answering those key
questions
very
important so
here you
need the clinical information
from the
patient
I just
saw a young man just
that's
why I was late for this
27 years
old he thought he had a tick
bite
and said
to me you know I sometimes feel
very much
the same as when he had
covert in
July or also confirmed covert
um but
he's only um something at this
stage
except of that for the tiredness
and the
headache and um
a bit of
a very burning you know
eyes sore
eyes that's more um you know
irritated
eyes
so i just
tested him in his positive so
this is
the first potion that i'm now
seeing
that had covered um six months
ago
and
testing positive so that is a
reinfection
so whether that's going to
go forward
i don't know the rest of the
people
that i've seen this morning was
all
non-vaccinated young people mostly
children
that
tested positive and that is how we
normally
see it in the beginning of a
wife
young
people it's predominately the the
children
that gets positive um
results
and then spreading it further so
um
the uh i
i'm extremely happy
for these
people that i have seen that's
been
vaccinated
um the
elderly like i've just mentioned
that lady
and there was another lady as
well 61
also vaccinated very mild
symptoms
i saw her last week she was
supposed
to follow up today and she said
listen
i'm not even going to come in i'm
fine and
that is the same that we have
seen so
only time
will tell us within the next
week or
two what is going to happen
going
forward but the symptoms are not
the same
than with delta that is
important
measures that we need to get
out so
that there's an awareness and the
people
out there
um if
you're not feeling okay for the
past day
or two
go to
your doctor especially if it's
something
like operation to retract um
related
symptoms go and get yourself
tested
make sure you're vaccinated if
you're
not
wear your
mask and let us see whether we
can keep
this virus
symptoms
mild
and not
severe and not severe so take
precautions
go back
to those public health measures
that the
world has been following for
nearly
two years now but what we've seen
in the
global response dr cozier has
been a
clamping down at the borders and
at
airports travel restrictions widely
brought
in japan today
israel
the u.s is about to announce
restrictions
today
i believe
we had a clip from you from
the
weekend saying it's hype and it
doesn't
make any sense how would you
assess
the global response to what you
are
seeing clinically
well at
this stage the this is a total
overreaction
um as i said the whole
clinical
picture might change and people
will say
yes but isn't that our right to
do to
protect our um
people in
our countries yes it's your
right to
protect people in your
countries
but then i would have then i
would
also caution you and say
no one
will sleep safely at night not
before
africa has been vaccinated so if
africa
has not been vaccinated because
this is
where your variants are going to
start and
your mutations so you want to
sleep
safely at night get africa
vaccinated
uh if we can start there
i think
we will we will already be
halfway
through all the things to close
your
borders i can promise you with this
small type
of symptoms that we have seen
you will
the i'm
quite sure your this variant is
already
in some most of these countries
that's
now trying to
to lock
out um south africa
dr kozieb
you have another interview i
have to
let you go unfortunately because
i very
much enjoyed our time a very
powerful
argument for global vaccine
equity
which is certainly a message that
we're
talking about this morning as well
thank you
very much for sharing your
experience
and we'll be in touch and
following
this as one of the countries
now
dealing with this variant we
appreciate
it